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IT’S NOT “ALL GOSSIP” AT THE VATICAN BABYLON

26 Feb
IT’S NOT “ALL GOSSIP” AT THE VATICAN BABYLON

Vatican changes and endings?

Dredging the waters, digging deep, bringing to light, judging and profoundly changing things are associated with transits of Pluto. It follows that with that planetary factor now and into June conjuncting asteroid VATICANA in the Vatican chart, reports of scandal and preparations for a conclave show how things are well on track. Except that…

When I added to my last article on the Vatican’s destiny something I’d discovered about Comet ISON – that it should be brightest late this year when conjuncting the degree of Vatican’s FINI (fr.finished) – I felt this added to current speculations regarding an end of Papacy. But this and certain features of the Vatican chart left me with a tricky related question. If the Vatican is approaching an end, might that be less a natural one from effects of rigid conservatism or active persecution (as per the Malachy prophecy), than a degree of judgement on a virtual Babylon?

Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Bertone protests that what is currently being said in media re Vatican corruption is “completely false”. But I question this. The church has not just covered up crimes as of child sex abuse. If claims like those of Carmelo Abbate’s Sex and the Vatican (2011) are true – and Abbate with his investigator’s deep digging Pluto suggestively at 27 Virgo conjunct the Vatican’s Part of Perversion depicted remarkable levels of hypocrisy – the latest charges could be true and this institution may have gone a step too far beyond grace. Is it a latter day Babylon awaiting a sudden fall?

The Babylon Question

Extreme though the question could appear in an era of ecumenism, in light of data I’ll consider I feel obliged to reassess if, and in what sense, old ideas of Rome as Babylon  – Abbate used the Babilonia word for his shadowy Vatican – have validity. If that sounds like old Protestant obsessions…it isn’t. The idea started among the Franciscans. Dante had a Babylonian impression of Rome as did St Brigit of Sweden and St Bonaventura. Basically I aim to discover objective truth as far as the eye of heaven can supply it from examination of the natus of the modern Vatican.

But before going into details, I’ll clear the decks by clarifying what can and can’t be meant by the Bible’s “Mystery Babylon the Great” in Chaps 17 and 18 of Revelation which some have used a little too freely over the centuries.

What the Whore of Babylon isn’t.

It is not possible, even if the Whore of Babylon symbolism includes Catholicism that it could refer to it exclusively. Nor for that matter could it exclusively refer to the Roman Empire as Tertullian imagined and as modern liberal/skeptics are content to assume in denying Revelation any kind of modern relevance. The range of the symbolism is too large and absolute. The merchants and ships of the world have not been coming to Rome which is not a port, nor has the blood of prophets and saints and all those slaughtered for good upon earth been found in her (Rev 19:24). The woman, said to sit on the seven hills (Rome famously has seven hills), is in fact is sitting on seven mountains, symbols some believe of power. Also, though some manifestations of priestcraft historically might be categorized as the “sorcery” by which Babylon deceives nations (Rev 19:23), Rome does not overtly deal in sorcery as such.

What the Whore of Babylon could be

But there is little question the whore has something to do with religion, even Rome’s. We can know this because among other things she has the names of blasphemy round her head. The Jewish high priest had the YAHWEH name on a band round his forehead when he entered the Holy of Holies. This is why Revelation’s redeemed souls are pictured with the divine name on their foreheads for they have become like high priests themselves, so the woman with blasphemous names on her forehead is out there symbolizing religion in some way false and profane. (Popes like Innocent 111 announcing that even if he demanded the doing of what’s evil priests must still obey him, belong to Babylonian style blasphemies).

Babylon rules “abominations” and sorceries, in effect false rites and sacrifices alien to those once associated with the Hebrew Temple, itself a symbol of Eden and Heaven. The connection to religious systems across time is also suggested by the appeal to believers to “come out of her” to avoid her sins and the ultimate judgement on them (Rev 18:4). Believers would unlikely to be so advised if it was a case of the city of Rome only. (It is however the case that since Reformation times there have been Catholic theologians who believe Revelation and Malachy’s prophecy refer to a future apostasy of the church and destruction of the city of Rome)

I think we can conclude Babylon is false religion of every stripe, especially whenever it unlawfully gains power and wealth from, or bestows them on, the world’s political systems: “For the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her…” (Rev 18:9). She also represents religion as a money making machine, or any financial system that becomes a religion to people. Taking this wider view of Babylon one could for example, apply its symbolism to, say, Burmese Buddhism for its long persecution of its sizeable Christian minorities, Karen, Kachin etc on which it seeks to impose state Buddhism not least because it’s convenient to economic programmes to be rid of hill tribes by exile or genocide.

Alternative Babylons

Some have even speculated that America is Babylon because it’s a great economic power and it’s commercial around religion, and they point out that Babylon is a village that ships pass on the way to entering the harbor of money capital New York. Still others point to Saddam Hussein’s attempt to rebuild a replica of Babylon in Iraq and imagine the region could yet become a world centre. If so that could contradict prophecies that historic Babylon will never rise again. Perhaps more pertinent is the region’s persecutory role. Babylon existed within the borders of what is modern Iraq and today the traditional Christian population of that country has been largely exiled or decimated by fanaticisms that nations of the world, including even “Christian” America has scarcely protested despite numerous appeals. This would fit with the vision’s claims that leaders of the world are essentially allied with Babylon.

So one can spread the symbolism around. The vision is kaleidoscopic but Lady Babylon is plainly a negative archetype of something. And it’s not impossible, (especially as early Christians privately referred to Rome as Babylon, 1 Pet 5:13) that Rome and Roman religion across time are indicated, maybe as especially typifying the disposition of world religions to mystify, manipulate and impose themselves.

A quasi-identity with Rome can be read into the vision for its association of the “great city” with splendours of art and the fact that Lady Babylon is dressed in purple and scarlet after the manner of higher Roman clergy. And Rome, (like all the religio-political systems of the world), could like Babylon be dissolved in a single day (Rev 18:8) if it actually happened that a one world order developed which was ultimately taken over by a false prophet declaring devotion to himself as henceforth the one true faith.

SEX AND (OR AT) THE VATICAN

In 2011 a book was published by Italian journalist Carmelo Abbate titled Sex and the Vatican though its text never got translated into English. Although the alleged facts received an airing in France, the book was an embarrassment that never reached much beyond Italy, suppressed by interests there some claimed. There wasn’t much the account didn’t tell. Priests with mistresses and children, or priests with mistresses forced to have abortions, nuns being raped, gay priests having high jinks round clubs and saunas of Rome, partying in places like an Archbishop’s residence and enjoying nights with male escorts.

In the last days of February the substance of these claims returns to haunt us with the media, starting with La Repubblica alleging that Pope Benedict’s resignation, though plainly health influenced, is also linked to reports of a widespread gay network and blackmail in the Vatican.

True or false, what Abbate’s claimed was not news to me. Years ago someone who had been domestic help to my parents was retailing strange tales of her time working for a convent in which the nuns had talked of illegitimate births through visiting priests, of alcoholism and depression, while a European aristocrat I’d known told of the doctor they knew who had lived in Rome and was regularly called to the Vatican to perform abortions.

I don’t write from a merely judgemental point of view. Since I don’t believe in priestly celibacy and maintain that much about the understanding of homosexuality in Christianity is wrong, (see my talk at
http://www.bit.ly/TIRE90
I accept priests’ mistresses and boyfriends as virtually inevitable – not as particularly sinful (nihil obstat unless because it disregards solemn vows most of us might hesitate either to make or break). Italy has long accepted the situation – some churches have collection boxes for the offspring of priests. What is unacceptably sinful is the hypocrisy, the payment of lip service to a system in a way that means the liberties taken will often finish vicious ones.

For being published on the re-assessment of homosexuality the Jesuit psycho-therapist Fr John McNeill was silenced and expelled from his order. The Vatican would rather tolerate priestly flings with male prostitutes than any organized relating as long as one affirms doctrine and agrees gay marriage is “a threat to world peace”. The Vatican creates less homosexuality than its perversion that Abbate unearthed. The orientation that can’t be acknowledged or negotiated gets expressed by deceit or even force. This isn’t good enough. Nor is everywhere pushing to legislate against abortion and for all and any reason yet having easy recourse to abortion oneself. This has opened doors to every blackmail and corruption. And where these enter spirituality dies because the heart must be open to “truth in the inner parts” (Ps 51:6) With this in mind I look as objectively as possible at the data for the Vatican. I’ll deal with the difficult Babylon question last.

THE HEAVENS DON’T GOSSIP

The heavens utter knowledge (Ps 19). They don’t gossip or lie though they could be misinterpreted, but for the Vatican their message seems clear enough.

Virgo rises in the Vatican chart which theoretically could define a nation of celibates except that it doesn’t. The ascendant deals in appearances only.

• In the Vatican’s eighth house of sex and secrets, of shared resources and of death is shocking and surprising Uranus. This promises plenty of sexual shenanigans especially gay ones (Uranus is the planet of homosexuality) but in this house it also covers possibilities of graft, money laundering and sudden deaths or suicides (deaths over Vatican bank scandals come as no surprise under a factor like this!).

• It’s preferable if controversial indications like the above have back up. Almost amusingly the Part of Sex Drive and the Part of Duplicity manage to conjunct on 19 Scorpio, (supposedly one of the worst degrees of the zodiac). The Part of Homosexuality at 8 Capricorn makes opportunity aspect to both the Part of Deceit at 8 Taurus and asteroid LUCIFER at 9 Pisces itself in the open enemies house. This possibly supports the late Fr. Malachi Martin’s sensational contentions that there is a cabal, not just gay but occult that is seeking to undermine the Vatican from within and performing black masses. Undeniably Pope Paul V1 mysteriously referred to “the smoke of Satan” entering the sanctuary.

• The Vatican’s destiny is however religion. Jupiter the religion and truth planet conjoins the Vatican’s Midheaven of career/reputation from the house of beliefs, and this Jupiter is conjuncted by the Part of Vocation, BUT…..Jupiter is very closely in affliction square to the Vatican’s Neptune. It is so in the twelfth sector (self-undoing and hidden things) and this Neptune is in Leo too. Leo is the sign of children and the square to Jupiter belongs with the often successful cover ups of child abuse not to say also the abuse of any persons in any out-of-the-way, hidden, twelfth house places (like convents or Ireland’s notorious Magdalene laundries) where they can end up exploited and ill treated.

• Asteroid LIE sits in the house of destiny and leadership in direct opportunity aspect to the mentioned Uranus. The leadership can lie about sexual secrets and get away with it. The mentioned “lucky” out front Jupiter aspected to hidden Neptune anyway favours successful cover ups….for a time. Dan Brown has got rich misleading the world about Christianity and Catholic art under his Jupiter/Neptune opposition aspect. That Vatican religion as represented by Jupiter teaches a lot about hell (and can impose living hell as on the Magdalene girls!) is betrayed but the curious way the HELL asteroid conjuncts Jupiter. Consistent with this the institution can also prove heartless and soulless as hell. Jupiter/Hell is on an axis with the Part of Soul!

…..With this we maybe approach the accusation that Babylon is cruel and traffics in human souls (Rev 18:13 some versions) especially as anyway the chart contains a dubious conjunction of the Parts of Spirit and Religion with the Part of Commerce at 7 Virgo rising in the first house.

MYSTERY BABYLON AND MYSTERIES GALORE

The Vatican is inhabited by mostly men, so its Mars at 14 Leo in the hidden twelfth conjunct HIERA (the mysteries) and PURPURIA (purple) are the monks, priests, mystics and sometimes hierarchs of the faith. They are conjuncted by the Part of Inheritance and Real Estate – they surely inherit in every way from tradition to Real Estate! They also conjunct the Part of Self Undoing because their more hidden nefarious deeds and false assumptions are their self undoing and must eventually come to light. Many of these men are genuine celibates, but many aren’t. The easy trine to Uranus in the sex sector designates plenty will be gay, practicing or otherwise, and claims of a whole gay underground are more than plausible given this aspect.

• Reflecting how the institution won’t live up to its ideals is the way that within its religion sector Venus (women, comfort, luxury, art) at 2 of Taurus, (the sign Venus rules), is just about within conjunction of the Part of Luxury and the Fornication of Men or even more wonderfully titled Lascivious Women and their foulness at 0.7 Taurus.

• While the foregoing sounds quaint or even hilarious in its medieval way, not so amusing is that this Luxury makes easy trine to 0 Capricorn, a world point, the most political one. This degree is conjuncted by The Part of Corruptness. Another world point at 0 Libra conjuncts the Part of the Mother. Do I see something encoded? Babylon is “the Mother of Whores” (Rev 17:5) and…

“He has judged the great whore who corrupted the earth and avenged on her the blood of his servants” (Rev 19:2).

If political corruption is encoded who might be the servants and why is the whore’s fornication, (which plainly isn’t something only or straightforwardly sexual) thus described?

“For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication” (Rev 18:3).

How could her fornication amount to wrath? For a wrath word among the asteroids there is the French COURROUX. Remembering the charge against Babylon that as false political religion she persecutes saints and prophets there could be significance in the fact asteroid CHURCH at 6 Capricorn falls under square affliction from COURROUX in legalistic Libra. At the same time the Part of Retribution at 6 Cancer opposes CHURCH and squares COURROUX….This could encode either the anger of false religion against true faith or the anger of God against such opposition…or both.

I can’t ignore this picture because CHURCH should be more important here as by its position, sign and aspect it is in the Pentecost chart for Christianity (See my Christianity’s Destiny
http://bit.ly/11EG1dS
amzn.to/WHqlSW).
Why is it virtually unaspected here? Basically because Babylon seeks to diminish or oppose whatever is unlike it. Traditional Catholicism has declared itself the sole true Church. Asteroid VERA (true) does not come to support that contention. It conjuncts not CHURCH, nor religion planet Jupiter but instead Neptune of the mysteries. So Neptune is a or the true mystery of what? Christ, Babylon the Great?

Certainly neither VERA nor VERITAS (truth) aspect the Christ or Jesus asteroids, indeed the Christ asteroid at 22 Cancer is in affliction to MARTIR (Martyr) at 22 Aries in the death house (Christ recrucified?)…” the woman was drunk with…the blood of the witnesses to Jesus” (Rev 16:7).

SO FINALLY….WHERE, WHAT AND WHO IS BABYLON?

Yes, there really is a BABYLON asteroid to help us. It is at 27.44 of political Capricorn and in axis opposition to ACTOR at 28.04 Cancer. Since religious Babylon is about hypocrisy, ACTOR could mean something here since Jesus’ word for hypocrite Hupokrites was literally in the Greek, actor. He condemns those who make mere show of religion.

From 27 Capricorn BABYLON makes easy/fortunate trine to the pattern’s religion-relevant Jupiter in Taurus at 28 degrees and awkward quincunx to its Neptune at 29 Leo and trine to the Part of Perversion (not necessarily sexual but religious) at nearly 27 Virgo. It also makes opportunity aspect to AMERICA at 28 Scorpio which fits what has been suspected. Babylon is a mystery whose symbolism is not located in any one place though one place, Rome, may conveniently represent it and likewise America which makes money from religion and has failed to protest persecution of Christians in the very region Babylon once existed.

Other possible indications of the Vatican partaking in the spirit of Babylon are in the way the mythic whore SEMIRAMIS has her asteroid at 22 of legalistic Libra directly square CHRIST and opposite MARTIR. This could fit with the mentioned whore drunk with the blood of Jesus’s martyrs. Also someone could only deceive ‘all nations” with their “sorcery” through the ninth house of religion and the overseas and foreign. HEKATE, the witchcraft asteroid is in the Vatican’s ninth house conjuncting wounded Chiron, an expert in medicines.

Babylon’s boast she is no widow may be included through the Part of Widowhood in conjunction/contention at 7 and 8 Taurus with the Parts of Vanity and Deceit. For perfection I can’t trace seven mountains, though there is an asteroid SETTE (It. Seven) which is evidently potent – I guessed this mystic seven would be prominent in my data for Jesus and it proved so falling conjunct the Messiah and Christ asteroids. However, Sette conjuncts the chart’s Venus which in turn makes almost to the minute of a degree aspect to REGINA (Queen).

The picture may not cover just everything but its several unlikely coincidences are sufficient to suggest spiritual problems exist for what the Vatican claims to represent. It’s not always and only “gossip” that sees its faults. The Vatican’s politics and too frequent corruptions can partake in a Babylonian betrayal of faith. It does not merit the levels of respect and inviolate authority it enjoys among some adherents who are perhaps warned to avoid its sins and the judgement on it – something which could actually be approaching for it and all systems of false religion.

Depending on how the conclave goes I may have further to say about Vatican, Papacy and the St Malachy forecast. But even before that occurs I note that when Pope Benedict finally resigns at 8 pm in Rome on 28th February Mars, which often cuts off, is just past 20 degrees of Pisces (21.02). 20 degrees is opposite the birth sun of Jesus while 20 Pisces is the degree of BABYLON in the Pentecost chart for Christianity. Just what this means I am really not sure, but it hardly looks terribly positive, especially as 19 Pisces is HEMERA (Day) and 20 Pisces is also the degree of ISHII (Lord) for Pentecost. An indication of some kind of a “Day of the Lord” in relation to Babylon?

PS. The Dragon? To my surprise I have seen that the Vatican crest displays a flying dragon, possibly a form of phoenix though it looks more like a dragon to me. It therefore fits that to within minutes of a degree the asteroid DRAGO (It. dragon) conjuncts the Vatican’s identity giving sun. I hesitate to speculate too far on what this might imply though it could well belong to Pope Paul V1’s claim the smoke of Satan had entered the sanctuary. The red dragon of Revelation 12:3 who is also the devil has seven heads and ten horns and Lady Babylon of Rev 17 is introduced as sitting upon a beast with seven heads and ten horns (Rev 17:3). This would appears to link her to the dragon and she is so depicted in some medieval and Renaissance art.

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Posted by on February 26, 2013 in Uncategorized

 

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2 responses to “IT’S NOT “ALL GOSSIP” AT THE VATICAN BABYLON

  1. TruthSeeker

    March 14, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    The times are very interesting, indeed!

     

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